{"id":1681,"date":"2011-10-17T19:23:39","date_gmt":"2011-10-17T17:23:39","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.retro.co.za\/blog\/?p=1681"},"modified":"2011-10-24T13:19:20","modified_gmt":"2011-10-24T11:19:20","slug":"7mm-international-rimmed","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.retro.co.za\/blog\/?p=1681","title":{"rendered":"7mm International Rimmed"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The 7mm International Rimmed is a wildcat cartridge developed by Elgin Gates in the seventies. Nothing strange about it, take a 30-30 case, neck it down to 7mm, and there you are. You don&#8217;t need to trim the brass or anything.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.retro.co.za\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/10\/7mmIntR.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-1682\" title=\"7mmIntR\" src=\"http:\/\/www.retro.co.za\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/10\/7mmIntR-300x133.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"133\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.retro.co.za\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/10\/7mmIntR-300x133.jpg 300w, http:\/\/www.retro.co.za\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/10\/7mmIntR-1024x456.jpg 1024w, http:\/\/www.retro.co.za\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/10\/7mmIntR.jpg 1401w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Before (bottom) and after fireforming.<\/p>\n<p>Compare this to the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.reloadingroom.com\/index_files\/7-30.htm\" target=\"_blank\">7-30 Waters<\/a>, developed by Ken Waters (also in the  seventies) <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ballisticstudies.com\/Knowledge+Base\/7-30+Waters.html\" target=\"_blank\">specifically for levergun use<\/a>. It&#8217;s also a 30-30 case necked  down to 7mm, but in this case the neck is much shorter, giving more case  capacity and of course more velocity.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.retro.co.za\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/10\/7-30_Waters.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-1683\" title=\"7-30_Waters\" src=\"http:\/\/www.retro.co.za\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/10\/7-30_Waters.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"285\" height=\"240\" \/><\/a>30-30, necked to 7mm, and fireformed. (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.levergunscommunity.com\/viewtopic.php?p=373065#p373065\" target=\"_blank\">Image source: levergunscommunity.com<\/a>)<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ve been shooting the 7mm TC\/U in my 14&#8243; Thompson Contender for a few years. Nothing wrong with the cartridge, shoots great, adequate power and everything&#8230; but the 7mm TC\/U headspaces on the shoulder, and that means that if you don&#8217;t get your resize operation just right, you either can&#8217;t close the gun, or your brass stretches and the case head separates after a few shots. I carry a tap in my shooting box, this has saved the day for me and for at least one other shooter caught with half a case stuck in the chamber. A TC ideally needs a rimmed case.<\/p>\n<p>So I had the choice of 7-30 Waters or the much less popular 7mm IntR, and I chose the latter because, as I said, the 7mm TC\/U already has enough power for what I need to do, I don&#8217;t need power, I just need a rim on the case.<\/p>\n<p><strong>7TC\/U<\/strong> : 25.5gr S335 : 145 grain cast RCBS-145-SIL : 2000fps : my 7mm TC\/U silhouette load, accurate.<\/p>\n<p><strong>7mm IntR<\/strong> : 29gr S335 : 160gr jacketed : 1900fps : accurate, 3 shot velocity spread = 6 fps, SD = 3.<\/p>\n<p><strong>7-30 Waters<\/strong> : Factory load : 120gr Nostler : <a href=\"http:\/\/www.reloadbench.com\/cartridges\/730w.html\">2400 fps from 14&#8243; TC barrel<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>I think 7mm International Rimmed is the best 7mm TC silhouette shooting option, now to do some further <a href=\"http:\/\/www.retro.co.za\/gundex\/cartridges\/7mm%20International%20Rimmed.html\">load development<\/a>.<span hidden class=\"__iawmlf-post-loop-links\" 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Nothing strange about it, take a 30-30 case, neck it down to 7mm, and there you are. You don&#8217;t need to trim the brass or anything. Before (bottom) and after fireforming. Compare this to the 7-30 Waters, developed by Ken Waters (also in the seventies) specifically for levergun use. It&#8217;s also a 30-30 case necked down to 7mm, but in this case the neck is much shorter, giving more case capacity and of course more velocity. 30-30, necked to 7mm, and fireformed. 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